This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. It does not get any bigger than this. It was pitch black outside. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. After a failed marriage that got her a divorce from Steve Downs, she wanted to be with her lover. Read More: Where Is Robert Knickerbocker Now? This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. You need real evidence in court. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Why is there virtually no info on him? After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. Again I go back to how times were back then. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Check your inbox to be the first to know the hottest news. is this a reason??? Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. Jesus Ortiz Paz's parents, net worth, wife, and daughter. We cant. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and thats what her ex husband was told, too. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. I will not remove anything. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. The infamous murder story of 1983 was like an excerpt from a crime thriller, a mother doing the unfathomable. According to various sources, Steve chose to separate from his wife after discovering that Stephen Daniel, their third child, was the product of her wife's relationship with a colleague. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Why Isn't Steve Bannon in Jail? Ask the Democrats. | The Nation Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Spiritual advancement and atonement? Jennifer Hudson didn't lose custody of her son David Jr. because she was an unfit parent, but rather because her work commitments meant she had to temporarily relocate to film The Voice UK. Downs: And there was a big reward, too. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and that's where she first met him. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? There were many problems with her trial and that matters. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. Why? Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. Steve was among the few individuals who saw Elizabeth Diane as a beautiful young lady rather than an outsider. What about the facts of the case? In 1984, Diane was convicted of the death and injuries of her children, and she was sentenced to life in prison. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. Speculative? Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . This is not the reason she is still locked up. I am glad that some articles remain. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. How.. they attacked him. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. Thanks again. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. And so, very quickly, they formed a relationship. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks It was faulty. We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html // Prison-happy U.S. must reconsider use of mercy; Carol S. Steiker, professor at Harvard Law School, Sep. 10, 2008 , http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html // US Prison Population Soars to 2.3Mln People at Annual Cost of $7Bln The US prison population has soared to 2.3 million people costing the government more than $7 billion per year. The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Her persona allowed them to build this ironclad narrative when in fact, it was far from definite. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. Any thoughts on that? Was that Annes fault as well? Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? Two of the kids survived the shooting with life altering injuries, and one of the children died. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Everyone deserves peace. Q. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? "I knew within 30 minutes of talking with that woman that she was guilty": Surgeon who helped save one of Diane Downs' kids in 1983 after she shot her recalls chilling interaction. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. Thats the problem with high profile cases. No. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? You are already subscribed to our newsletter! She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. Hello. So she warns her to stay away. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. You can believe what you like. Who is Elizabeth Diane Downs, Steve Downs ex-wife? I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. TOP 8 why didn't steve downs get custody BEST and NEWEST I am just curious. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. After each of the kids was shot multiple times on that fateful day in 1983, Steve cooperated with the police completely. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going to voice master chief. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 However, when all the details came to be understood by the police, Steve found out what really happened to his kids. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. 3. It was flawed. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. The jurors had doubts. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History Not hard to go there. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Maybe I'm dramatic but I no longer want to watch it . Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. It can safely be presumed, other children told their parents, and that some of those parents reported the disturbing revelation to states Attorney, Prosecutor Fred Hugi. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Not even the gun. She was not in the car when her children were shot. The pilots we did dealt with Japan going over the quotas of hunted whales and a company dumping toxic waste into the ocean But it didn't work out because the stock footage they were using. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. If not, why not? It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. The case NEVER made sense to me. The problem was, Diane has a long-documented history of adversely reacting to tranquilizing drugs. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. Diane did not get a fair trial. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. In reply to Kit It probably makes you feel so good. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. After all, she was conditioned this way. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. I am not sure. She. Hugi did not want that. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. It seems like Steve and Diane were meant to be together. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. Christie is a married woman and gave birth in 2005. Simply because I researched them. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; They examined her clothes also. That poor girl. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. But I am realistic. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. Whether it tugs at your heartstrings or angers you to the core, these stories could have happened years ago, and they still take up space in your memories. That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial parent after the divorce. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. She could have stayed on the side of the road. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. Hysteria. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. The casing from the bullets exactly matched, just like a fingerprint, the bullets that Diane had in her home from her own gun which was never found. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. This is also what the state did to her. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. 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Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. What happened to Diane Downs ex-husband? But I am more than willing to review any new info. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. That says it all. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. 'Leave It to Beaver' star Tony Dow explains why he wasn't allowed to In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). I say these things if I were on the jury. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened.
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